The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. how this would manifest? @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) We have had such a difficult relationship. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. Lilith in Synastry. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? This is an ultimate guide to Lilith in the Twelfth House of astrology! With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. 12th House : A busy 12th house is very difficult in a composite chart, since it's the house of the unconscious feelings and all things hidden, so there will be a lot of miscommunication between the two. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. Learn how your comment data is processed. It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. Lilith in partner's 12th house may represent emotional outbursts, manipulations and obsessions. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. (like your name too. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. Two sides of the same coin. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. The eight house is the house of Scorpio, and alongside the twelfth house is the most spiritual and mysterious. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. Pluto is elevated in the composite chart close to the midheaven in the 9th. North Node conjuncts Desc. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. The sixth and the eighth house are also karmic houses. I noticed you dont offer composite readings. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. They rip the rug from under you every other day. Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. They represent different aspects of a relationship. It has been a very long journey! Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. We feel that very beautiful in our life! Definitely karmic and unbreakable. I need all the help to understand I can get. I think this is SO true . Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. This will tell you the energy sounding the ending. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. What should i do? New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. what can we do here? Thank you very much for the answer. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Lots of greetings from Serbia. It doesnt matter. They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. It doesn't have to be a breakup. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. Lilith square . venus+mars, etc. Look at what sign the 12th house is in. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. . Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. should i run away from this relationship? Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. The ego thing is very true. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. . Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. Emotional Suppression. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. Oh the powers of the 12th house. He knows me better than I know myself at times. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. Could I ask Your opinion? After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. Id appreciate any information. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. It also works the other way. P.S. scares me a bit. The 12th House is also known as the House of mystery while Venus symbolizes intuition and artful . When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Astro-Seek.com Seek and meet people born on the same date as you . I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? What is the best approach? One of my longest relationships featured a Lilith-Sun/Ascendant conjunction in synastry. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. They are the lilith wearing an "eve mask". Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. We have the ultimate intimacy side by side with the knowledge of ultimate separateness. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. My english is not very good. I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. Your article is amazing! Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Lovely article. Its not special, its common. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. We feel that our twelfth house planets dont work the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other peoples charts. My sympathies. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? We also have composite venus in the 12th house. It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. Im not quick to say its an illusion, but its not quite real either, and you can get into some dangerous territory in the 12th by telling yourself things that arent really true. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. I am NOT usually like this. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. venus all in the 12th house. The Autumn Schedule is Here! Also, I would think that the answer to your issues is not in the composite, but in your natal comparison. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. Thank You so much for Your answer! You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. They feel invisible or alone. Thank you for your insight. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. Could I ask Your opinion? My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? It is SO powerful! Well it is a living hell right now! Mercury in 12th House. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. Yes There is a higher purpose to these relationships. Everywords pounding in me. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. We are both married similar age kids. me and this guy who dont know each other properly have same ascendants and house cusps natally. Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. did they really kill a stag in the crown, lake county, montana mugshots,
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