LOL! Because its flat out bull**it. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of . In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. Who knows. They admitted their problem and fixed it. But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. They function as commanded every time. Some of the plaintiffs claim the pistol can fire without the trigger even being touched. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. There used to be a problem, which is why Sig fixed it. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. That took a lot. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. How about something more relevant. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? Give me a break. who sells them? The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. Much has been made of Nimoys Spock being the most popular character in TOS, but Id argue that without Shatners over-the-top swagger and brash manner, the balance would be lost. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. One hell of a conspiracy. But Shatner? I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. But breaking news here, skippy. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. Sig Sauer P220 Super Match. I agree. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. I have no idea. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. Sig Sauer's headquarters are located in New Hampshire at Pease International Tradeport. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. Sep 20, 2021 613 571 Idaho. When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. It has been flawless so far. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. Oct 20, 2022 #36 ; vh20 said: . A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? selling the 365 with strikers breaking? In a world of "innovative" guns, this truly is an innovated design and a step in the right direction for the future of pistols. Sometimes you dont get what you pay for but now SIG has bragging rights. You couldnt ask questions. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). Thats SIGs term for a recall. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. It did not originally have this. The Milwaukee Police Department reports "multiple unexplained accidental discharges" of the Sig Sauer P320 9mm, a gun all officers are required to carry, making for more than 1,600 firearms. Wont last!. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. Did a Sig Sauer P320 Fire On Its Own? A Police Officer - 19FortyFive And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. . I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. The suit mirrors lawsuits filed across the country involving the semi-automatic gun known as the P320. This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. -You plan on getting rid of your P320, great! With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. Either the gun is defective or its not. Not sure why it wont let me reply to you, but Ill reply to myself in the hope youll get it. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? All polymer guns are cheap, cheap, cheap to make, thats why I threw the Taurus name into the mix. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer and injured a director with a prop gun on the set of the film "Rust" and the distraught actor repeatedly asked afterwards why he . SIG SAUER Statement on CANSOFCOM Incident - Soldier Systems Daily With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. The Glock fails on both counts. Detective sues Sig Sauer after she says her holstered P320 handgun The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). Sig Sauer to Settle Lawsuit Over Alleged Safety Glitch in P320 Pistol 00:03. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. Thats the same. And they would not have done that for no reason at all. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. Sig Sauer lawsuit: Man charged in wife's shooting death blames gun Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. But this time, the sound bites used were different. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. Wounded by his own Holstered Sig Sauer P320, Veteran Tampa Police The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. This is the goal of those who would disarm us at the Post Office, as we take little Yevgeniy or little Shaquina to school, as we fulfill our civic responsibilities as jurors to judge our peers, as we travel to and through less free jurisdictions. First off, no joke on me. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. As far as ships go, Im drawn to the original movie vessels because they look the most, to me, like something youd really see humans build in space in 300 years. About Those SIG P320 Lawsuits - The Truth About Guns Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. Time will tell if no. Whether or not the suits have merit. There was nothing wrong with the Glock action, it was a training issue. Thats the American system at work in all its corrupt majesty. Stinking Lawyers and quota cops. Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. Theyve gotten tons of contracts because the gun is cheap, cheap, cheap to make. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program | SIG SAUER My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. Fine. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. That could happen easily. The probable reason that some folks are saying that the P320 is unsafe is that there was a lawsuit filed in federal court in July of 2020 (Guay v. Sig Sauer) alleging that the 320 fired "un-commanded" without a trigger pull while in a holster. PDs are dropping them from contracts. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. Without a loser pays tort system, such abuse will go on and on. Rather, it's because those LEO P320 pistols are seeing much more physical action than ones carried by civilians. Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum UPDATE:We were just made aware of YouTuber BoomStick Tactical who produced this video the day before our post published. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. Liberal, Conservative. Ron, His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. Trying to categorically say Brand X is better than Brand Y! in Capitalvania. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. , 54 people all shooting themselves. So I give a ton of credit to Shatner for reading the reality of what it was and in essence, saving it. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. P320 Accidental Discharge Still an Issue : r/SigSauer - reddit The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. Special Forces pulls new pistols from service after soldier - CBC Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum On Thursday, M.D. In June, Cambridge police Lt. Thomas Ahern filed suit, accusing Sig Sauer of selling a dangerously defective product after his P320 fired on its own while he was in the department's SWAT team van with six other officers. Weird how that might happen. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. I continue to bet my life on them. Sig P320 discharge while holstered | Sniper's Hide Forum About $300. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. Sound familiar? He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. A fine of up to $10,000. I also have a manual safety. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. Theres a couple of possibilities. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! Nope. Yesterday, a Canadian news outlet, CBC News, published a story regarding the unintended discharge last year of a SIG P320 by a Canadian Special Operator, resulting in injury and his unit withdrawing the pistol from service. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. 3) If the sear fails, there is the drop safety in the way of the striker. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. P320 X Compact is it safe CCW | SIG Talk One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs.
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